Re: G1000 Legacy & NXi upgrade program
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:15 pm
I know KA G1000 flight deck was installed by Garmin owned by STC. So it would make sense they would complete the STC to upgrade since they own it.
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I could easily see that coming when they are trying to push for 40NG and asking 1.4M for 50RG.pietromarx wrote:I hope that this is not what's happening. If so, I would walk away from Diamond here, now, forever. The situation has gotten quite old and I, for one, am (finally) running out of patience.
I think it's far less nefarious and you should be angry with Garmin, not Diamond. It's a simple issue of economics. Who wants to spend money certifying a solution? There is nothing in it for Diamond other than customer goodwill. Goodwill is good and could/should lead to positive referrals to Diamond for new planes; but it's soft, especially when Diamond is struggling to meet the demand it already has. However, there is cash in it Garmin. So who will spend money to get the configuration certified? At the moment it would appear nobody, which means there is not enough money in it to attract Garmin after market interest. There simply aren't enough potential G1000NXi buyers to justify the certification expense.yl472401 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:51 pmI could easily see that coming when they are trying to push for 40NG and asking 1.4M for 50RG.pietromarx wrote:I hope that this is not what's happening. If so, I would walk away from Diamond here, now, forever. The situation has gotten quite old and I, for one, am (finally) running out of patience.
Legally DAI owns TC and only DAI can require upgrade to be developed. The party willing to invest in STC should first clarify ownership issue with DAI and then pay Garmin to perform the work. So even if Garmin wanted to offer the upgrade to the market, they would have to ask DAI to grant them right to do that. On top of that someone has to ensure the airframe which is definitely easier for DAI than for Garmin.Boatguy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 9:55 pmI think it's far less nefarious and you should be angry with Garmin, not Diamond. It's a simple issue of economics. Who wants to spend money certifying a solution? There is nothing in it for Diamond other than customer goodwill. Goodwill is good and could/should lead to positive referrals to Diamond for new planes; but it's soft, especially when Diamond is struggling to meet the demand it already has. However, there is cash in it Garmin. So who will spend money to get the configuration certified? At the moment it would appear nobody, which means there is not enough money in it to attract Garmin after market interest. There simply aren't enough potential G1000NXi buyers to justify the certification expense.yl472401 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:51 pmI could easily see that coming when they are trying to push for 40NG and asking 1.4M for 50RG.pietromarx wrote:
I hope that this is not what's happening. If so, I would walk away from Diamond here, now, forever. The situation has gotten quite old and I, for one, am (finally) running out of patience.
However, if that configuration is already certified (e.g., DA40-180) because it was a production configuration in the past, or present, then certification is not an issue and I think it's a simple manner of asking your Garmin dealer to perform the work.
You're suggesting that Garmin wants to offer the upgrade but DAI is preventing them from doing so?ememic99 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:23 pm Legally DAI owns TC and only DAI can require upgrade to be developed. The party willing to invest in STC should first clarify ownership issue with DAI and then pay Garmin to perform the work. So even if Garmin wanted to offer the upgrade to the market, they would have to ask DAI to grant them right to do that. On top of that someone has to ensure the airframe which is definitely easier for DAI than for Garmin.
Not that I know but this is the legal framework that Garmin uses to put the sole blame on DAI. While DAI gives excuses that Garmin doesn’t have sufficient resources and that they have to prioritize development requests sent towards Garmin and obviously new aircrafts have the advantage.Boatguy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:26 pmYou're suggesting that Garmin wants to offer the upgrade but DAI is preventing them from doing so?ememic99 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 10:23 pm Legally DAI owns TC and only DAI can require upgrade to be developed. The party willing to invest in STC should first clarify ownership issue with DAI and then pay Garmin to perform the work. So even if Garmin wanted to offer the upgrade to the market, they would have to ask DAI to grant them right to do that. On top of that someone has to ensure the airframe which is definitely easier for DAI than for Garmin.
That is the core issue.dant wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:55 am Is the G1000 the first real widespread glass flight deck? Are there no other solutions that have been migrated or phased forward to look to as examples?
This isn't just a Diamond problem - everyone with G1000 will need a way to move forward as parts disappear. And *someone* had to know this was going to happen, and I really hope their plan wasn't just to sell all these planes that will be grounded until ~their entire flight deck~ is replaced in under 20 years.
No, Garmin was not the first. neither was Avidyne. However, the first systems were on much larger more expensive planes; think multi million dollar business planes and airliners. The majority of these plane owners are used to avionics upgrades that run a quarter million or more, and are only good for fifteen years. Most of the aircraft only get one or two upgrades before they have been exported or sent to the junk yard; mostly due to noise restrictions.dant wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:55 am Is the G1000 the first real widespread glass flight deck? Are there no other solutions that have been migrated or phased forward to look to as examples?
This isn't just a Diamond problem - everyone with G1000 will need a way to move forward as parts disappear. And *someone* had to know this was going to happen, and I really hope their plan wasn't just to sell all these planes that will be grounded until ~their entire flight deck~ is replaced in under 20 years.