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Re: ADSB Out - skyBeacon is now available for order

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How expensive can it be to add a single light? Seems like small price to get to use the coolest ADS-B out solution out there. If it's an STC for the light you could sell that back to skyBeacon for the hundreds of DA40 installs.
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Colin wrote:How expensive can it be to add a single light?
How long have you been in aviation? :D
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Re: ADSB Out - skyBeacon is now available for order

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Rich wrote...
Look more carefully. The white rear position light(s) may not be on the wingtips, but there will be one on the tail.

Ref: FAR Part 23.1385
Sorry, Rich, but 14 CFR 23.1385(c), corresponding to FAR 23.1385(c), states:

(c) Rear position light. The rear position light must be a white light mounted as far aft as practicable on the tail or on each wing tip.

Accordingly, the white position light(s) can be, and in fact are, on the wingtips of DA40s.

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Sandy wrote:
Rich wrote...
Look more carefully. The white rear position light(s) may not be on the wingtips, but there will be one on the tail.

Ref: FAR Part 23.1385
Sorry, Rich, but 14 CFR 23.1385(c), corresponding to FAR 23.1385(c), states:

(c) Rear position light. The rear position light must be a white light mounted as far aft as practicable on the tail or on each wing tip.

Accordingly, the white position light(s) can be, and in fact are, on the wingtips of DA40s.

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Not sure what the disagreement is. If you put one of these skyBeacons on the left wingtip of a DA40 it will no longer conform to the reg. I was simply pointing out that many aircraft do not have the rear position light on the wingtip but on the tail. Typical Cessna, e.g. Perhaps the use of "may" instead of "might" may have clouded my intent.
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@Rich,

The ambiguity of the English language... I read your statement of "may not be on the wingtips" in the permissive sense, i.e., that such placement was not permitted. From your post, I now realize that you actually (and correctly) meant that the position light(s) "might not be on the wingtips", i.e., the "possibility" sense, notwithstanding that they are permitted to be there.

I'm glad we got that cleared up.

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I am a Patent Attorney with a degree in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science (MIT) and a law degree from NYU Law. I recently learned that Garmin filed a patent infringement action against Uavionix regarding the SkyBeacon ADS-B unit. Based on my background I have written a number of legal application programs, including a web-based system called CaseWebs. I have added the Garmin v. Uavionix case to CaseWebs, so if anyone is interested in it PM me, and I will give you User access to the case in CaseWebs. If many are interested I will post login information here.

Garmin is seeking a preliminary and permanent injunction as well as damages.

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I hate Garmin for doing that.
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Colin wrote ...
I hate Garmin for doing that.
Colin, FWIW Uavionix filed an Answer denying infringement and a Counterclaim seeking a Declaratory Judgment of non-infringement and invalidity of the Garmin patent.

Also, Uavionix has its own pending patent application in which it filed a Response to an Office Action on August 14, 2018 which should place the Uavionix application in condition for allowance.

So... now the games begin.

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That would be nice. Garmin is the 900lb gorilla in the room. I don't know of them backing down in any confrontation. That's a company culture when it is created by people leaving another large company. There's a lot of "Our way is correct!" baked into the culture.
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The one thing we keep forgetting in the exuberance over this (and other 978UAT) devices is their uselessness:

- in the flight levels
- any other country that comes to require ADS-B out, as everyone else is 1090ES.
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