Removing G1000 from a Da40?

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Scotsman58 wrote: Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:54 pm So I'm interested by Antoine's suggestion that one could remove a non-WAAS, non-GFC-700 G1000 from a DA40 and install a new panel with G500s, a GTN 750, etc. I have a 2005 DA40 with a G1000 that fits that description and am concerned about future obsolescence. Antoine's solution sounds pretty expensive and suppose might give up some integration that's built into the G1000 (but then again, in my system the KAP-140 autopilot is not integrated) -- but it would offer LPV approaches, depiction of holds, visual approaches, etc. Also -- very important -- future upgradeability would not be dependent on Diamond. I guess my question beyond the obvious expense would be what regulatory permissions might be required for such a makeover? Also, would I have any option to upgrade the autopilot to something like a GFC-500?
Seems feasible, though the GFC 500 right now would be a tough nut. The obvious problem is that the ESP is specifically configured at the factory for the specific type. (There may be other, less obvious customizations.) As a consequence there are different STC/FMS documents for each type-family and no Diamonds are yet provided for. An interim approach for G1000/KAP140 would be to retain the KAP140 for the time being. But trickier for GFC 700 aircraft.
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Re: Removing G1000 from a Da40?

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As someone who has worked in IT for too long and specializes in security products, I’m comforted by the fact that my autopilot isn’t linked to the Internet, yet. “Alexa turn left!” ;-) However, my iPad theoretically bridges the Internet to my GTX345R. Hum. That said, in 10 years from now, this G1000 hw is going to feel awfully dated. I’m really impressed with how Foreflight has given a new lease on life to traveling in non-glass aircraft. I suspect that augmented-reality glasses/vision-systems could do the same for all our aircraft in the future. What type of hardware will have to be mounted & certificated in the aircraft to use such systems? Will there be a ‘cheap’ electric engine conversion by then? I like this thread because you’re proposing to break out of the G1000 box, but it sure would be nice if there was a bit of an intermediate solution that didn’t require ripping everything out.
FWIW, I’ve never had any issues with the Garmin UX for VFR. It’s super intuitive to me. IFR I still sometimes have a hard time knowing which steps to take, practice helps.
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Re: Removing G1000 from a Da40?

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I also really like the "break out of the G1000 box". Unfortuantely not available to many of us who's airworthiness and certification depend up on it.

I think it's time to push for AOPA to lobby the regulatory authorities and get us out of this box. There are so many other avionics options out there for which we should have access.
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Re: Removing G1000 from a Da40?

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Hello all - I saw the request for the detailed parts in the G1000 STC I mentioned. Sorry for the delay. Attached is the 'Required Parts' list as part of the STC from Garmin to install a G1000 in a DA40.
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Re: Removing G1000 from a Da40?

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Thank you Charles!
I'm curious where did download this from.
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Re: Removing G1000 from a Da40?

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Grass roots effort to request FAA rulemaking to separate the G1000 from the Type certificate. Someone must initiate the request for the owners as a group. This requires a well thought out effort and positive comments. Will probably require lots of DA owners commenting officially on the docket. Going this route requires the FAA to make a decision and either grant or deny the request.

https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policie ... tition.pdf

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Re: Removing G1000 from a Da40?

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DaveS1900 wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:40 pm Grass roots effort to request FAA rulemaking to separate the G1000 from the Type certificate. ...
Dave, the G1000 is not on the TC it was installed via STC (at least for the DA40-180 models).
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Re: Removing G1000 from a Da40?

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To BRS:
I was just responding to the comment made From the Boatguy
"I also really like the "break out of the G1000 box". Unfortuantely not available to many of us who's airworthiness and certification depend up on it."
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Re: Removing G1000 from a Da40?

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I don't have any issues with my Aspen and KAP140 on an LPV approach also. Works the same as on an ILS. It does get pretty sluggish if you are below 100kts though. I don't trust it below 80kts.
Rich wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:51 am
Pilot55 wrote: Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:21 am Yes the aspen has gpss and does a great job. The kap just has a hard time on the glide slope on a rnav. On a ILS it works just fine. I use the kap140 in heading mode and aspen with gpss on until I am on the IAF and turned on the approach. Then I switch to approach on the kap140.
Interesting. With the KCS 55A/KAP140 I have no problems with GS on ILS, LPV, LP approaches.
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Re: Removing G1000 from a Da40?

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I don't see anyone installing the G1000 in an experimental unless they got it for nearly free. The Garmin G3X Touch system is cheap and leaps and bounds above the G1000
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