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Jeppesen Chartview to Flitecharts

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Has anyone ever gone back from Jeppesen Chartview to the Garmin Flitecharts? My aircraft came with the Jeppesen Chartview but I don't ever use the Geo-referenced charts on approaches so I just want the less expensive Garmin Flitecharts. The iPad is too slow and I don't want to use that if I don't have to (that's what my checklist is on also) so I need to remove the Jeppesen Chartview feature. I can only find upload instructions but not removal ones.
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If you're comfortable with the G1000 software update/configuration/installation menus, you might be able to use the software unlock card for Chartview -- which should have come with your plane -- to remove Chartview (which would then cause the G1000 to revert to Flitecharts).

Otherwise you might have to have a Garmin tech perform a complete reinstall of your G1000 software to get rid of Chartview.

Personally I'd buy a newer faster iPad and use Foreflight's approach charts. I prefer to use the MFD screen for display of my GPS flight plan, waypoints, and altitudes when flying approaches, consulting the iPad only for looking up minimums and briefing the missed approach.
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Dave,
I'm hoping I don't have to do a complete reinstall just to shift to the Garmin charts. I'm comfortable with the config pages but I never saw the page that just turns off the Jeppesen charts. If it's not there in the base pages then I would have to go to a Garmin shop in case they need to download the whole original software update.

On Colin's recommendation I had Glenn Lawler put in a USB port for the iPad but I still want the charts on the G1000 as they are more reliable than any iPad and will not kill your night vision like the iPad can at night ( the g1000 reverts to black background at night). I use the iPad for backup but it can be very slow to load and shut off at no notice.

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Phil:
I'm pretty sure there's no way to just boot the G1000 into regular maintenance mode and find a configuration option that will turn off the Jepp charts.

Instead, I'm suggesting you need to find your Jepp Chartview software unlock card (that should have come with your airplane because it's locked to your G1000 serial number) and boot into maintenance mode with that card inserted into the PFD top slot. That's how Chartview was originally enabled in your plane, so I'm guessing that this might expose a menu option to remove Jepp Chartview.

Here's a DA40 G1000 manual that describes (see section 3.5.10) how to boot into maintenance mode with software unlock cards like those for ChartView (the DA42 G1000 works the same way):
http://static.garmincdn.com/pumac/190-00545-01.pdf
Instead of selecting "Enable ChartView" there might be a "Disable ChartView" option you can select. (Again, I'm just guessing, but this should be easy to try).

Otherwise I'm afraid you may have no other choice but to have a Garmin shop reload the entire G1000 system software, or at least the AIRFRAME file from this system software. By leaving out use of the Jepp Chartview unlock card, the system will revert to Garmin FliteCharts as the default.
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Re: Jeppesen Chartview to Flitecharts

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Being careful with my iPad mini (not the latest generation) I have never had an issue with it shutting off unexpectedly or hurting my night vision. But it is another set of things to learn in order to keep that possibility at a minimum. And I have a backup (my wife's iPad) and a backup for the backup (my iPhone). I am much happier with my moving map on the PFD.
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Re: Jeppesen Chartview to Flitecharts

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Phil

We did exactly this to 112NG. Unfortunately, it cost a few hundred dollars at the shop because (they claimed) they had to do a complete reinstall of all software.

I'll see if it's possible to pop in the Jepp unlock card to prompt a menu.
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I'm having Columbia Air Services in Bar Harbor look at it tomorrow as I'm up here for work anyway. If it's a few hundred dollars to get back I figure I'm still saving as to get both US and a Canada Jepp chart subscription it's $900 per year more than the Garmin charts going forward so I'm still ahead.
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It turns out they have to reload the entire software in order to remove the Jeppesen function. The avionics tech at Columbia stated it could be a 3 hour process if it goes well to at worst a longer process that he has seen LRU's fail when reloading the software and the LRU has to be sent back to Garmin for repair. Bummer- now I'm on the fence to whether I should just keep the Jepp charts at $600 more per year or attempt the reload at 3 hours labor minimum to ???? who knows how expensive.
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I guess anything can happen in the world of software but the idea of a software load bricking an LRU seems unusual at the least. Given how Garmin's software loader works (one of the best I have seen), a software fail is rare and incremental. Even then, the accepted procedure would be to try again, not send it back to Garmin. And what would a "repair" that was tied to software loading mean? If an LRU was truly bricked the first possibility is likely that either it or the data path was bad in the first place. Much more likely than any of these possibilities is a corrupted file download on the part of the technician. That happens frequently and the first logical action would be to download again, compare file sizes or get a checksum from Garmin, etc. Also, a three hour load seems over the top. I have been involved in all of my loads and the most recent two versions do take a little longer, but still less than an hour, plus some validation time.

As with medical diagnoses, it is often a good idea to get a second opinion from a different technician.
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Phil:
I would be very surprised if reloading your G1000 system software caused LRU failures.

When I ferried your plane to NC I discovered that some G1000 options (e.g., aux fuel tanks) had not been turned on (i.e., not configured in the G1000), so Glenn's shop in NC may have already reloaded your G1000 software quite recently.

Just make sure that when G1000 system software is reinstalled that all of the options on your plane are enabled (you may want to be there to assist if the shop isn't familiar with DA42s). The tech doing the install will also need to use your software unlock card to separately re-enable Synthetic Vision.
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