Piston MSB affecting newer engines - MSB-E4-043

[TimS]

Minor nit. Lycoming and CMI have both made changes to the design and manufacturing of the engines over 70s.
A lot of the metallurgy has changed and improved over the decades. You can now get STCs for most models which allow for electronic ignition; which means there are many models which are fully EFI.

So, as much as like to say, the design is 70s year old. the engines have advanced a fair amount.

Tim

Edit (fix EFI)

[michael.g.miller]

You can get STCs for electronic ignition (see SureFly and ElectroAir) but NOT any EFII / electronic fuel injection. EFII is available for "legacy" engines, but only in the experimental world.

[TimS]

You can get STCs for electronic ignition (see SureFly and ElectroAir) but NOT any EFII / electronic fuel injection. EFII is available for "legacy" engines, but only in the experimental world.

Correct, let me fix my post, I meant EFI.
I am not sure if there are any EFII avgas engines, I believe the Lycoming iE2 is, but did not find an answer.

Tim

[krellis]

Lycoming iE2 is full FADEC. Currently used in very limited applications, like the Tecnam P2012 Traveller (designed for Cape Air). Rotax has several engines that are full EFII (912iS, 914, 915, 916). Rotax engines prefer unleaded mogas, but are certified to run on 100LL as well.

There are additional choices in the experimental world. My RV-10 (IO-540) has full EFII.

https://www.lycoming.com/engines/ie2

https://www.flyrotax.com/p/products/engines

[geekmug]

My inspection was done as part of my annual, so I was not charged any additional labor for it, but the DSC charged me parts for the MSB-E4-043-KIT. Forgetting the ridiculous cost for 4 bolts, washers, and an o-ring, shouldn't these parts be covered under the warranty? Three weeks ago, I sent an email to claims-canada@diamondaircraft.com about it, but I have got nothing back. Before I start making phone calls, I'm curious whether other people got this work done under warranty?

[Bryce]

Parts are absolutely covered under warrenty. That's the DSC's job to get reimbursed, you shouldn't need to waste time on it.

[bayareacfi]

Second borescope done with no issues (as part of annual). Fingers crossed the new cylinders are available soon...

[jashsmash]

I just received my DA40NG from its prolonged year and a quarter annual inspection because my last engine fell under MSB-E4-039 and they wouldn’t do the recall. So I bought a new engine that now falls under this MSB. I’m not happy and I’m going to make a new post detailing my saga with Diamond and their terrible customer service. I love the plane but I’m leaning towards selling it. I currently lease it in a flying club and it could see up to 6 of these 50 hour maintenance tasks a year which is not desirable at all. I may keep it for myself but who knows.

Again, I’m livid. I feel like there should be some class action lawsuit. They replaced my lemon of an engine with a bigger lemon. Something isn’t right and I don’t think they should be getting away with it.

[Boatguy]

Again, I’m livid. I feel like there should be some class action lawsuit. They replaced my lemon of an engine with a bigger lemon. Something isn’t right and I don’t think they should be getting away with it.

A class action suit against Austro, an Austrian business, would be challenging.

It's painful accepting that they don't care, have little or no legal obligation to do anything, and refuse to even talk to customers. Sadly, that is Wanfeng's approach to customers. Having taken all the IP and started producing both airplanes and derivative engines in China; presumably licensed to Chinese entities, all entirely legal and within their rights, maybe Wanfeng will sell the company to somebody who does care. I think both distributors and customers would be happy to see that happen.

[jashsmash]

Again, I’m livid. I feel like there should be some class action lawsuit. They replaced my lemon of an engine with a bigger lemon. Something isn’t right and I don’t think they should be getting away with it.

A class action suit against Austro, an Austrian business, would be challenging.

It's painful accepting that they don't care, have little or no legal obligation to do anything, and refuse to even talk to customers. Sadly, that is Wanfeng's approach to customers. Having taken all the IP and started producing both airplanes and derivative engines in China; presumably licensed to Chinese entities, all entirely legal and within their rights, maybe Wanfeng will sell the company to somebody who does care. I think both distributors and customers would be happy to see that happen.

I hear ya and I understand. It's terrible. They could dominate the industry with their product.