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A C1 in AZ :shock:
https://www.asias.faa.gov/apex/f?p=100: ... 22,DIAMOND
I'd sure like to know more about this, but I don't know if details will be easy to come by.
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Rich: Thanks for pointing this out. 2002 model owned for at least the last 14 years by flight schools - wonder if structural failure was due to a prior tail strike, etc. Will be interesting to follow this one...
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The link does not seem to work for me.
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Paul, you can hit the "Back to Summary" button at the top of the page and scroll to the Diamond line.

Wow, running off the end of a 5500' runway in our planes would be pretty difficult unless he was very high on an instrument approach in hard IMC.
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dmloftus wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:53 pm Paul, you can hit the "Back to Summary" button at the top of the page and scroll to the Diamond line.

Wow, running off the end of a 5500' runway in our planes would be pretty difficult unless he was very high on an instrument approach in hard IMC.
The link I posted (no longer available for some reason) is not for this overrun. These are all too common, however, in all models of aircraft. The incident I was referring to is that apparently the horizontal stabilizer "failed" during runup.
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Now you have me really curious google is not my friend today do you have anything that may help me chase down the report (date)
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Spinner wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:10 pm Now you have me really curious google is not my friend today do you have anything that may help me chase down the report (date)
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Following this up is going to be frustrating. It appeared on the FAA incident page when it happened, but aged out, as that page only shows the most recent two weeks. Somehow the link itself also goes defunct when it ages out. I don't expect this to show up in the NTSB data.

Eventually it may pop up in this tool: http://www.aviationdb.com/Aviation/AidQuery.shtm#SUBMIT
But this data is months behind in being updated.

Maybe it will show up as a FAA Service Difficulty Report. I haven't had experience searching these.
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Here's the main part of a seemingly similar incident that did make it into the NTSB data:
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Actually the SDR database is very easy to search (which I did this morning). I didn't see anything there that may have been the report. I did see the Pueblo report which sort of made me laugh. What it doesn't say is that the area they are referring where the bolts are do get moisture and the bolts start to corrode. We are now removing and inspecting/changing them at our 1500 hour (diamonds 1000 hour) inspections.

At times we have had to remove and re-paste the brackets back on the stab. Also we did find one of the brackets that bolts into the vertical stab was cracked under the bolt head area and needed replacement. Mind you these were on 15,000 hour plus machines.

Currently we have 4 machines that are over 18,000 flight training hours and still going strong.

https://sdrs.faa.gov/Default.aspx
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Spinner wrote: Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:36 pm Actually the SDR database is very easy to search (which I did this morning). I didn't see anything there that may have been the report. I did see the Pueblo report which sort of made me laugh. What it doesn't say is that the area they are referring where the bolts are do get moisture and the bolts start to corrode.
I finally found that link this morning as well. It looks like there is commonly a delay in getting these entered. So it may come to show up eventually.

Corrosion isn't likely a factor in the Pueblo incident. (In fact, no "accident" as we think of it actually occurred.) In case you are not aware this is a really dry part of the country with no real salt or pollutants in the air. And it was a really low-time aircraft that looks to still be in service.

Airframe Total Time: 189 Hrs at time of accident
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