DA62 or DA42

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Re: DA62 or DA42

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Ok final spec is “everthing” except ADF and Stormscope. Dislike the weight of A/C but seems a must for wider resale market. Can’t get any commitment on Beringer but hopefully by 2024 this will be a regular request. On the Cirrus I also have Beringer Sens Air which provides real time pressures and temp monitoring. Now to try and conclude a deal.
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Well done Mike !

You have gone for the right options.

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I ordered mine in August 2021 and it is specified with Beringer wheels and brakes as standard equipment as per the 2022 Diamond price list. I just assumed I would be getting them?
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Re: DA62 or DA42

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CFIDave wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:24 pm Because of great market demand for DA62s here in North America, US buyers often consider buying used European DA62s. In the US, air conditioning is absolutely required for DA62 resale value. Think of the global market for DA62s. The DA62 has sufficient useful load for most owners even with the additional weight of air conditioning.
Question: if one was to import a European DA62 is the higher gross weight a paper exercise or is the aircraft the lower gross weight forever?
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Re: DA62 or DA42

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Ed McDonald wrote: Fri Jun 10, 2022 1:13 pm
CFIDave wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:24 pm Because of great market demand for DA62s here in North America, US buyers often consider buying used European DA62s. In the US, air conditioning is absolutely required for DA62 resale value. Think of the global market for DA62s. The DA62 has sufficient useful load for most owners even with the additional weight of air conditioning.
Question: if one was to import a European DA62 is the higher gross weight a paper exercise or is the aircraft the lower gross weight forever?
I'm not sure how much effort would be required to raise the max gross weight of 1999 kg (applied to some DA62s to avoid paying onerous European ATC fees) to 2300 kg. The change might occur when an FAA Designated Airworthiness Representative (DAR) inspects the plane to convert it to an N-registry (i.e., US-registered) aircraft, and issues a new FAA airworthiness certificate in preparation for US import.
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Pehu wrote: Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:39 am
DME: BUY. You want this. You need this.
I am finalizing the options on my DA62 (already on order). I was on the fence for the DME. Can you expand on why you think a separate add on DME is so important?
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Re: DA62 or DA42

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DME is required for some European countries, but is a waste in the US. Any approach or navigation requiring DME in the US can also be satisfied by using GPS distance as a substitute.

I suppose if there were a major GPS signal outage in the US, having DME might be helpful in navigating via "green needles" (VOR or ILS/LOC) only, using the FAA's MON (Minimum Operational Network) of ground-based navaids.
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I think this is a Europe/UK thing for the IR Skills Test. From the CAA standards doc (oct 2020) Carriage of DME is mandated in UK controlled airspace under IFR but, where no ADF is fitted, the IRE will be expected to set an achievable route where carriage of ADF is not required to complete the route and instrument approach procedures. At least ADF is not now mandated. However the latest CAP1926 talks a lot about RNAV substitution - RNAV substitution for ADF, VOR or DME may be used where the aircraft equipment is not installed or is inoperative and/or the ground-based radio navigation aid is either inoperative or unreliable. I think I will probably spec DME for my 62. The US is far more advanced/sensible and the chances of GPS failing are probably so remote as to be not worth considering?
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CFIDave is correct, at a practical level - you need an DME but not an ADF in Europe.
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Mike Jones wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:37 am I think this is a Europe/UK thing for the IR Skills Test. From the CAA standards doc (oct 2020) Carriage of DME is mandated in UK controlled airspace under IFR but, where no ADF is fitted, the IRE will be expected to set an achievable route where carriage of ADF is not required to complete the route and instrument approach procedures. At least ADF is not now mandated. However the latest CAP1926 talks a lot about RNAV substitution - RNAV substitution for ADF, VOR or DME may be used where the aircraft equipment is not installed or is inoperative and/or the ground-based radio navigation aid is either inoperative or unreliable. I think I will probably spec DME for my 62. The US is far more advanced/sensible and the chances of GPS failing are probably so remote as to be not worth considering?
GPS failing outright is a low probability, but the US military regularly degrades GPS over substantial areas for their own purposes.

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