Has anyone already placed an order for a Panthera?

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The insurance hasn't been settled as of yet. There are supposedly a couple underwriters that have begun the process. I guess we'll see????
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I wonder if there's a way to purchase it as experimental-amateur built. It's easy to get the plane's op limitations "authorized by the administrator" to fly around class B. I fly a plane in this category and it's just like flying any other plane. I wonder if there's a way you can overcome that with E-exhibition or include it in the op limitations.

It may take a (beautiful, scenic) trip to Slovenia to go meet the 51% rule
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You can buy the kit and build it to meet the Experimental category, but I'm not interested in that. I talked to the local FSDO and hinted to see if they'd be willing to modify the Operating Limitations after they would inspect the plane locally, still waiting on that, but not holding my breathe. I'm also asking the dealer to mention that to the local FSDO in Florida to modify the next airplanes limitations, after they see the level of build quality and safety incorporated into it. Either way, I'm taking the plunge and if I have to make some extra work for myself, so be it. I've flown it twice now and just like it that much.

The trip to Slovenia would be nice. Maybe once this whole Covid non-sense is over?
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Whatever the merits of the plane itself, this oddball experimental state sure looks like lots of contortions to squeeze through loopholes and avoid delivering the certified airframe at its higher price.
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I don't see how the DA50 competes with this.

You'd be doing the rest of us a favor if you wrote a letter to the CEO of Diamond Canada and told him why you were making the switch. I think your comment "I'm exhausted with Diamond and Garmin with the whole STC, software upgrade, expensive and diminishing parts issues." probably resonates with a lot of owners.
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Curt, just curious... are you getting the 'chute? By the way, congratulations... excited for you!
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The airplane comes "standard" with the chute. Air conditioning, Oxygen, and long range tanks are the only options at this point, I didn't take any options. The de-icing still isn't available. I hear that's in the works.

Give me the email address of the Diamond CEO and I'll gladly explain my choices.
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I recently worked on an airworthiness certificate with our local FSDO for an "experimental exhibition" airplane. Operating Limitations they use are from a matrix and they check off what applies to you. But they are written in stone, no flexibility. Among the list of pesky operating limitations is that you will need to notify the local FSDO when you fly the airplane unless you are training or going for maintenance. True exhibition aircraft operators will send a letter to the local FSDO in the spring listing all the events and dates they will fly to. If I remember correctly you can notify at least 72 hours and still be legal. But no getting up and spontaneously flying one morning to a breakfast 200 miles away. Once the airplane gets designated as Exp-Exhibition I don't know if you could switch it to Standard Category if/when the manufacturer gets a US type certificate. Reselling experimental exhibition will have its own troubles explaining it to a potential buyer.

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I have such a hard time understanding buying a million dollar airplane with these sort of limitations, but I know people do it all the time with WW2 warbirds. There are *so* many trips and flights that I have made where I did not know 72 hours ahead of time that I was going to get in the plane. Or which *day* was going to get in the plane.
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