DA50 vs The World

[TimS]

Note: I am a COPA member, and former Cirrus owner (both an SR20 and SR22).

Out of curiosity, do you still own N1446C?

No, sold my piece of the partnership last summer. We were planning to leave the area, but that fell through. My partners are great guys, and found someone to buy me out.

Tim

[TimS]

Alan,

Join COPA. You will learn a lot about Cirrus, and you can ask Rick Beach and others about the crash statistics. Beyond access to the forum, COPA has many very informative articles in the regular magazine, they run the CPPTs and many other activities.
When it comes time to address problems on a Cirrus, there are a large number of mechanics on there which will give you very good information.

Tim

[mfdutra]

COPA is so great that many former Cirrus owners, like me, stay very active there for years. It's a family.

I hope DPA reaches that level of greatness one day too.

[VickersPilot]

The primary design flaw in the Cirrus is the landing gear. The most common accident type is the application of power during a botched landing resulting in a left of runway excursion. It’s statistically significant. The trailing link gear is a big safety advantage in favor of the Diamond.

Here we go again…

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/372326

I’m shocked how the community of pilots is so blind to this design flaw. It’s a VERY good reason to buy Diamond due to the inherently safer gear design.

[Rich]

The primary design flaw in the Cirrus is the landing gear. The most common accident type is the application of power during a botched landing resulting in a left of runway excursion. It’s statistically significant. The trailing link gear is a big safety advantage in favor of the Diamond.

Explain. The nose gear geometry is essentially the same as the DA40. In what way does the Cirrus landing gear make it more susceptible to pilots' failure to apply right rudder?

[jast]

I don’t think the gearbox main issue, rather the stall behavior. The Diamonds are all behaving a lot more predictable and robust in base-to-final turns. That’s unfortunately a very typical Cirrus accident ( Check out the video in the link )

[Rich]

I don’t think the gearbox main issue, rather the stall behavior. The Diamonds are all behaving a lot more predictable and robust in base-to-final turns. That’s unfortunately a very typical Cirrus accident ( Check out the video in the link )

Yes, one notes that the landing gear was rather far from the ground to be a factor. Pilot basically froze and the Cirrus doesn't forgive.

[mfdutra]

The Cirrus requires proper airmanship. If you are sloppy with rudder and pitch in a go-around from behind the power curve, you will flip it. 300+hp is a lot of power when you are very slow.

[dant]

If the gear is bouncy then one could argue that you end up more often executing more demanding go-arounds which due to the increased skill requirement have an increased likelihood of failure.

I don't have any skin in this game but I could definitely see how functionally always requiring a soft field landing to avoid porpoising could cause issues.

[mfdutra]

I agree. It's very finicky to land, as compared to my DA62 now, which I can just fly it on the runway and it's happy.